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Philosophical discussions at the café

Poitevin philosophical cafés’ addresses

Philosophical cafés’ addresses from all over the world

Reflections on the philosophical café

To Philos, January 15th 1996

To the philosophy teachers and lecturers from school district education authority of Poitiers

Philosophical discussions at the café

The discussion usually lasts for 2 hours and consists in a free argumentation between the participants. The topic/subject is chosen at the beginning : the participants propose several ones and the discussion leader chooses/retains/accepts one. Then, the person who has proposed the chosen topic has to launch the discussion by telling his point of view. He will be given the right to speak as often as he will have something to say. Of course, every participants would have to ask for the right to speak before any speaking act. And the people who have not spoken yet have priority.

Poitevin philosophical cafés’ addresses

Le Café des arts, 5 place Charles de Gaulle, 86000 Poitiers
Tél : 05.49.41.14.61
every Wednesday from 7’ p.m. to 9’ p.m. (except during school vacations).

Le Café des Arts, 48 avenue Gambetta, 79400 Saint Maixent l’Ecole Tél : 05 49 05 50 66
one Friday a month from 8’30 p.m. to 10’30 p.m.

Le Pub 35, 35, boulevard de la gare, 23000 Guéret
Tél : 05.49.51.90.90
every first Saturday of the month from 6’30 p.m. to 8’30 p.m.

Café du Mail, 29 rue Aimé Rasseteau 86000 Poitiers
Tél : 05 49 23 18 51
every last Sunday of the month from 11’ a.m. to 1’a.m.

Philosophical cafés’ addresses from all over the world

Reflections on the philosophical café

To Philos, January 15th 1996

Dear Friends,
The philosophical discussion at the Café des arts café (Poitiers) has been created for one and half month and a lot of things have already happened. On average, thirty persons are used to come and about the half speak regularly. There are ups and downs, some discussions do not soar/take off (prendre son envol pour pensées), but I often have to ask for stopping the discussion at 9’ p.m. whereas many people have still something to say. A discussion never looks like another one. So all what happen during these discussions always lead to surprise : the experimentation is still carrying on.
I hate to summarize the major events which have happened during the previous discussions at the café as Francis Kay and Colette Petit did in Philos : is this very useful ?
A summarize seems to make a great heterogeneousness fall within a pre-definite restricted scope. Because what happens during these discussions depends on the wealth of different ideas. If someone makes the synthesis, the difference is lost ... the difference between the points of view, and also the difference between the philosophical discussions at the café and the other kinds of discussions or lectures.
Because what is really important and what makes the originality of this philosophical discussion is first the confrontation of opinions. But it is not enough because we must not be satisfied with a simple debate of opinions, there must be then a real confrontation between the opinion and the rational speech (logos) and between the rational speech and the opinions. So I immediately assert that it is how I see philosophy and this is what we can find in particular in Platon. " The platonic conversation looks like a quest for truth according to a method which consists in the application of the logos, of the critical reason to a series of opinions which have not the same value in Platon ".
Therefore, they may be a difference : in the platonic conversations, it seems to me that Socrate’s speakers support some opinions whereas Socrate is the only participant to " apply the logos " to these opinions. It is not in accordance with the reality of the philosophical discussion at the café because there is not " a Socrate ", even if there is still the care about applying the logos. But it is really interesting to be witnessing the failure of the opinions in the rough during a discussion at the café. What we immediately note is not that we have found truth or a true opinion or a reason, but that if we want to come close to it, we cannot be satisfied with the opinion and we have to go beyond it. Of course everyone cannot succeed and the " craftiness of the opinion " are noticed : relatavising professions of faith which maintain that " anyone has the right to have convictions ", but rarely a violent reject and never indifference. But some of the participants try to apply the logos, even if they face up to any difficulties : " a would-be logos " appear.
And I can not think that it happens somewhere else ! As you are reading a book or listening a lecture, you can apply the logos to what is written or saying, but nothing in the book or in the lecture (except by chance) definitely leads to the application of the logos. The author and the lecturer have certainly applied the logos to another opinions or another thesis in order to work out their own thesis. But are they really applying the logos when they write or lecture ? How can they be sure that the readers or the listeners approve these thesis and opinions ? And even if they apply the logos, it is not the Socratic logos. So everyone becomes an isolated monad and the logos is needlessly applied. May be, the readers or the lecturers do not apply the logos and are in the opinion sphere. May be the writer or the lecturer are also in the opinion sphere. How can we know if what happens at the time of reading or lecturing is not a market of deceptions ?
On the whole, the " professional philosophers " claim that they scorn opinion, but what they really scorn is the common herd. Because it does not enable to apply the logos and to quit the opinion sphere. The " professional philosophers " have often confused the common herd and the opinion. But what can be found in Platon’s conversations is the opinion of the specialist (sophos) and not the opinion of the common herd. The opinion of the common herd often comes from the opinion of the specialist who is himself an opinions manipulator. So there is worst than having opinions : manipulating the opinions. And the specialists, even the " professional philosophers " are use to do that.

To the philosophy teachers and lecturers from school district education authority of Poitiers, June 19th 1996

J.F. Chazeran, D. Sawadogo are unemployed assistants teachers and yet graders (examiners) for the high school diplomas (A-Levels).

Dear Colleagues,

A philosophical discussion takes place every Wednesday from 7 to 9 p.m. at the Café des arts café in Poitiers. There have been 25 discussions which have gathered on average 30 persons.
The discussion operates according to a few general rules that we have developed and which allow the discussion to progress in a satisfying way. The subject is not chosen in advance, it is chosen at the beginning of the session. The participants propose subjects of which the discussion leader chooses one. This avoid two faux pas. The first one would be that the discussion leader should be cooked as a specialist spreading the good word, leaving the participants with nothing to do but listen. The second possible faux pas would to choose a subject on which there can be no real philosophical reflection. The subjects that are talked about generally are those that are dealt with during the twelfth grade (upper sixth form) course : does one have to live alone to live a happy life ? is peace possible on earth ? is hell really the others ? do the poets have to be chased out of the city ? does love make you blind ? and soon. The rules of the speech are also very simple, the person who has proposed the chosen subject can speak at any moment and those who have not spoken yet have priority over those who have already spoken. As for the role of the discussion leader, his role is to limit his own contributions, to uphold these rules and to lead direct the discussion when needed. He is most of the time a participant along with the others.

Now, let’s talk about the content : do thes discussions deserve to be called "philosophical" ? About that, we have noticied with dificulty that we are subjected to two kinds of criticism. The café philosophical discussion is either rejected as a whole as being a non-philosophical opinion discussion or relativized as being pre-philosophical because it is a preparatory exercice to real philosophical practice. We have to notice that these criticisms are based above all the comparison with existing philosophy practices comparable to the café discussions : the twelfth grade class and the public lecture ; on a certain way of seeing philosophy in its dealings with an audience. They presuppose that a philosophical class as well as philosophy lecture are philosophical, this would have to be proved to state that a café discussion is not philosophical or is pre-philosophical.
Concerning the first criticism, things are not clear even among the café discussion leaders. A Bordeaux café discussion leader was saying in Libération (Thursday 23th May 1996) : "People need opinion discussions"